(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 US Open rnd 5 bd 2 - Mingjiu Jiang 7p vs Yue Zhang 8d]PW[Mingjiu Jiang]PB[Yue Zhang]WR[7p]BR[8d]DT[2008-08-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[mewtoo [5d?\]: well
mewtoo [5d?\]: im going
Ukasuhs [2k\]: how can i see the game between kim myungwan and the mogo computer 
IstTengen [9k\]: look at MogoTitan
Ukasuhs [2k\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon! The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America.  The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
USGO2 [-\]: ouble setting the clocks this morning :)
USGO2 [-\]: *trouble
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pq]
;B[dc]
;W[qd]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu looks around the room while Yue is thinking
Ukasuhs [2k\]: q5
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;B[od]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: aww
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;W[de]C[royalty [3d\]: pincer on left side probably
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;B[pf]
;W[fd]
;B[re]
;W[qo]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]
;W[df]C[lesid [7k\]: looks like w loves tenuki
calm [6k\]: Why do you say that?
USGO2 [-\]: Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r5.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team
USGO2 [-\]: *Round 5
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;B[fc]
;W[gc]
;B[fb]
;W[gd]
;B[cm]
;W[ob]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yue Zhang had stepped out a few moments before this move; still waiting on his return
hanen [13k\]: is he that nervous?
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;B[pc]
;W[pb]C[sljfie [15k\]: what the hell is with p18?  i bet he planned that move
calm [6k\]:  No he has joseki books hidden in another room.
]
;B[qc]
;W[nd]C[wellwell: lol
sljfie [15k\]: alex dinerchtein plans trick moves before his game
sljfie [15k\]: games*
USGO2 [-\]: No, the players are quite calm and confident for theor games, and don't like distractions
lifeisgood [-\]: a couple more moves and black will have that stone captured
Psychopomp [5k?\]: haha 
calm [6k\]: Just because dinerstein does it doesn't mean that everyone is that stupid.
sljfie [15k\]: i know... but it is smart to have strange moves planned out.
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;B[ne]
;W[md]C[Tachi [-\]: why stupid? it's quite useful to learn about your opponent's style / plan some tactic moves before the game 
]
;B[gb]
;W[qb]C[royalty [3d\]: p18 is a normal move locally
]
;B[rc]C[Psychopomp [5k?\]: ?
]
;W[jq]C[Psychopomp [5k?\]: c11?
royalty [3d\]: sljfie was wondering about it
lifeisgood [-\]: is the right side the biggest?
]
;B[qm]
;W[ck]C[royalty [3d\]: n15 becoming little bigger now
royalty [3d\]: a little
sljfie [15k\]: tthis response will be so interesting :)
sljfie [15k\]: unless tenuki
sljfie [15k\]: :P
]
;B[om]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: f3?
sljfie [15k\]: i never understood why the shape f3-d4 was so great
Ukasuhs [2k\]: thats wy ur still 15 kyu
]
;W[ok]C[sljfie [15k\]: lol i know
royalty [3d\]: yup, has to reduce..
sljfie [15k\]: but 5th line? huh. but im 15k so i wouldn't understand
royalty [3d\]: any deeper and it would get under heavy attack
manestor [7k\]: it's tthe shape
royalty [3d\]: and white cannot allow for a weak group quite yet
manestor [7k\]: deeper, w would come under attack
theolddan [2d\]: you wont understand the answer to your own questiion?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: q10 might have been ok instead of p9 just because of the q8 peep
sljfie [15k\]: yes that make sense
theolddan [2d\]: i would even think p8 is quite "deep"
royalty [3d\]: white can try to follow up with n15 and such 
Psychopomp [5k?\]: q9 would leave white building on the outside
royalty [3d\]: white has his own influence to create a moyo
Psychopomp [5k?\]: q10 too
theolddan [2d\]: p9 i mean
]
;B[me]C[royalty [3d\]: invading would potentially destroy his own potential
Nouli [-\]: N8 will allow B to invade N3 ?
Psychopomp [5k?\]: white turning at n15 would be bad
Psychopomp [5k?\]: for b
theolddan [2d\]: n15  not sente
calm [6k\]: Is N15 sente?
calm [6k\]: <snort>
]
;W[qk]C[theolddan [2d\]: w will answer at r9 
royalty [3d\]: you are now a 7p
]
;B[ld]C[Psychopomp [5k?\]: this isn't looking great for b
royalty [3d\]: difficult to say yet..
royalty [3d\]: probably white is more ok
theolddan [2d\]: so do i think
calm [6k\]: Now we will see if N15 was sente.
Psychopomp [5k?\]: white's position is more comfortable
manestor [7k\]: depends on how he defends n16 group
]
;W[mb]C[theolddan [2d\]: there wasnt any gain to make for white on upper side because this side is open
royalty [3d\]: yes, but it was still a borderline for power
theolddan [2d\]: but r9 makes all the difference
calm [6k\]: furikawari right sidew for top. 
theolddan [2d\]: now r7 feels like an invasion
manestor [7k\]: b couldn't do much about it anyway
Psychopomp [5k?\]: b is falling behind
sljfie [15k\]: jiang is chinese?
theolddan [2d\]: n15 was played in assumption that it would be answered
royalty [3d\]: sljfie, yes
theolddan [2d\]: but this didnt happen
sljfie [15k\]: thx royalty
calm [6k\]: Still seems to be some sting in B P5.
manestor [7k\]: taking territory with b at r9 wasn't good i think
Psychopomp [5k?\]: I can't see a sequence at the top that doesn't give white sente
theolddan [2d\]: even a cut at m15 is left now
royalty [3d\]: the cut is not so horrible
theolddan [2d\]: b has no time to come back here
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
royalty [3d\]: black pretty alive with the right side and h18 there..
royalty [3d\]: so not much problems
theolddan [2d\]: dont agree
theolddan [2d\]: but anyway we are not pros
calm [6k\]: USGO2, in this case Technique ==tesuji?
Psychopomp [5k?\]: b has like 12 points on top left, and 12 on top right
Psychopomp [5k?\]: no idea about lower left yet
sljfie [15k\]: the online commentators r wuite helpful
sljfie [15k\]: quite*
shinkirou [1k\]: b can tenuki
manestor [7k\]: youre talking about our comments? 
Psychopomp [5k?\]: he can, and probably should
USGO2 [-\]: I just pass along the news bites passed on to me :)
acidpool [3k\]: b needs to reduce lower w/out getting split
Psychopomp [5k?\]: but he's been overly concerned with the top
royalty [3d\]: black wants r11 but then p7 will get under attack a little
Psychopomp [5k?\]: and b needs to do something with the right
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;B[oo]C[manestor [7k\]: this looks god
Psychopomp [5k?\]: q6 p6 q7 p3 ?
royalty [3d\]: q6 cut very vulgar :P
Psychopomp [5k?\]: it is
royalty [3d\]: q6 q7 p6 o6 and then black has s4
royalty [3d\]: or such
manestor [7k\]: i was thinking exactly the same thing
Psychopomp [5k?\]: I was suggesting that b wanted to cut into the bottom
calm [6k\]: Oh its an interpretation of the Kanzufu.
Psychopomp [5k?\]: and would block with p6, to jab at o3 area
sljfie [15k\]: the q3-r5 shape cant be invaded right?
NeverAtari [4k?\]: depends
royalty [3d\]: black would definitely block q7
James83 [-\]: its a common enclosure and certain cases it can be i guess
Psychopomp [5k?\]: hrm
]
;W[np]C[Psychopomp [5k?\]: heh
Psychopomp [5k?\]: thought so :)
]
;B[nk]
;W[nj]
;B[mk]C[nidza92 [-\]: it can be invaded at r3,r3,q2 depending on situation
nidza92 [-\]: r4
]
;W[ol]
;B[nm]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: s7
manestor [7k\]: to soon 
Highwayman [1k\]: too passive s7
]
;W[rm]C[manestor [7k\]: only if really in danger
manestor [7k\]: ah
manestor [7k\]: well
Ukasuhs [2k\]: read it out
Ukasuhs [2k\]: after the p8 exchange
Ukasuhs [2k\]: s7 much better
Psychopomp [5k?\]: s8 r8 s6 q7 r6 q6 ?
]
;B[qp]
;W[pp]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: r4 mistake?
USGO2 [-\]: shyghost (well known KGS personallity) visits the strong players room to watch some of the games
SuperFigo [3k?\]: who will call the ghostbusters?
]
;B[qn]
;W[rn]
;B[rl]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu sits up and leans over the board for a closer look
]
;W[po]
;B[ql]
;W[mj]C[royalty [3d\]: hmm, q5 odd..
royalty [3d\]: well, i guess white couldn't afford to let black take the side even though he could connect
USGO2 [-\]: he had played that move almost relunctantly
kryft [4k\]: royalty, Which other move were you thinking of?
royalty [3d\]: just the natural flow of r8 s5 q5 t6 q7 t7 q6 r3 
royalty [3d\]: but black would get the corner so it's too big
Psychopomp [5k?\]: r4 was nice
kryft [4k\]: royalty, Ah, I actually considered that, but (apparently correctly) figured that it was too good for black. :)
]
;B[lj]
;W[li]C[royalty [3d\]: but it kind of makes you wonder if white playing the sequence was worth it
royalty [3d\]: since the upper group now look weaker
]
;B[oj]
;W[oi]
;B[pj]
;W[pi]
;B[qj]
;W[qi]C[royalty [3d\]: this aint too bad though
]
;B[rj]
;W[mh]C[krakengo [1d\]: mingjiu ! mingjiu ! mingjiu ! \\o/
]
;B[kj]C[Sonica [1k\]: did ming jiu win yesterday ?
]
;W[jh]C[kryft [4k\]: Sonica, Yes..
Sonica [1k\]: thx
Sonica [1k\]: happy..
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
Psychopomp [5k?\]: m15 cut lookinng better
USGO2 [-\]: sorry - wrong copy-paste buffer
USGO2 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/  Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
USGO2 [-\]: Yue Zhang has already used half of his 2 hours time allotment, whereas Mingjiu has only used 20 mins so far
]
;B[ji]
;W[ih]
;B[ii]
;W[hi]C[GiantCat [-\]: what is MMS on crosstab on website?
USGO2 [-\]: MacMahon Scores
GiantCat [-\]: thx, I should have guessed that
]
;B[hj]
;W[ki]C[kyuboy [9k\]: c3 sooner or later?
kryft [4k\]: Seems like white is ahead?
]
;B[gj]
;W[jj]
;B[ij]
;W[jk]
;B[lk]
;W[ek]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: k8 works
]
;B[hh]
;W[hg]
;B[gi]
;W[gg]C[Highwayman [1k\]: yes
]
;B[dj]
;W[dk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yue Zhang has such a habit of straightening the stones on the board, that sometimes touching them almost before Mingjiu has let go
jankenpopp: heh, as anyone complained about it?
jankenpopp: or does no one mind , the board looking clean?
USGO2 [-\]: each player has his own unique habits; none of them seem to mind
USGO2 [-\]: at least, not visablily
sljfie [15k\]: does ming jiu have a strange habit?
USGO2 [-\]: Mr Jiang typically twiddles a few stones in his hands, either over his bowl, or on the table in front of him
]
;B[nc]
;W[mc]
;B[oc]C[GiantCat [-\]: o17 over f3 or something?
sljfie [15k\]: lol i know people who do that (me)
]
;W[kc]
;B[kd]
;W[jc]C[kryft [4k\]: GiantCat, Well, it was sente. F3 would be gote. Don't know about 'something', though. :)
GiantCat [-\]: well I know f3 is gote, but o17?
GiantCat [-\]: I thought m15 was cuttable
GiantCat [-\]: that's my mistake
GiantCat [-\]: why isn't it?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: m15 cut looks viable
GiantCat [-\]: but wasn't before l17?
GiantCat [-\]: maybe that's it
sljfie [15k\]: now b can extend tho
]
;B[nb]
;W[na]C[jankenpopp: k5
]
;B[jd]
;W[ic]C[Tower [3d\]: maybe something in the lower left to fix up the corner
mof [1d?\]: I think if w cuts before l17 then black can extend and threaten a ladder or connection to g18
jankenpopp: tower, what can he fix corner?
jankenpopp: d3?
mof [1d?\]: the ladder does not work but presumable black gets a cut at l12
]
;B[dq]C[mof [1d?\]: and w might die on the right
Tower [3d\]: :P
jankenpopp: oh nice call tower :)
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w cant cut m15 now...
USGO2 [-\]: and with that, Yue gets up to take a break
jankenpopp: haha "phew, got it in!"
sljfie [15k\]: haha i would expect so
Tower [3d\]: m15 ?  net ?
sljfie [15k\]: i bet Jiang is so p**sed right now
Ukasuhs [2k\]: why?
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu tosses the stones in his hand back into the bowl, takes a drink, and looks intently at the bottom side of the board
sljfie [15k\]: cuz yue just loccked in a massive corner! 
calm [6k\]: What's he drinking?
Iceborg [6k\]: USGO what are stones and gobans there? 
sljfie [15k\]: r the stones flat on the bottom?
USGO2 [-\]: see the pictures from yesterday's matches: http://www.usgo.org/index.php?%23_id=4592
Iceborg [6k\]: thanks , nice
gosta [5k\]: d3 not bad shape?
gosta [5k\]: #
]
;W[co]C[sljfie [15k\]: oh guess not
Iceborg [6k\]: stones look glass, double convex and shinkaya boards am I right?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: is Yue back yet?
]
;B[cp]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: guess so
sljfie [15k\]: u can tell the dif between shin kaya and not shinkaya?
gosta [5k\]: c4 even worse ;(
sljfie [15k\]: i nv really par attention
]
;W[bo]C[calm [6k\]: USGO2 gets up to the board and pisses off both players, by picking up some stones.
Iceborg [6k\]: I have real kaya (but tibetan, not japanese) at home and I saw shinkaya, I think I can 
Iceborg [6k\]: lol
sljfie [15k\]: lucky u
sljfie [15k\]: i wish i had a board like that
USGO2 [-\]: I'd lose my job here if I even thought about doing that
Ukasuhs [2k\]: USGO2 are you a volunteer?
Iceborg [6k\]: I am lucky than I can play with someone at home :)
calm [6k\]: You get paid for this?
sljfie [15k\]: ya, i just have my mom who i have to give a jamdo
sljfie [15k\]: handi* (massive typo)
Iceborg [6k\]: oh I see, teach her then
Iceborg [6k\]: my son was losing on 9 stones and now we play even
Iceborg [6k\]: in 2 months :O
USGO2 [-\]: time remaining: w 86min  b 27min
jankenpopp: iceborg, does he play on kgs also?
jankenpopp: or too young/
jankenpopp: ?(
jankenpopp: *
]
;B[do]
;W[bm]C[calm [6k\]: ko?
Iceborg [6k\]: yes sure, he plays 
]
;B[bp]C[Iceborg [6k\]: now he is on holidays though
jankenpopp: so finally time for k5?
]
;W[gq]
;B[dn]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: b6...
Iceborg [6k\]: j8 ?
Bierce [1d\]: W LOOKS TO ME AHEAD
Bierce [1d\]: sry caps
]
;W[bl]C[Javaness [-\]: stand in the corner Bierce
Iceborg [6k\]: k8 ?
Iceborg [6k\]: better h4 ?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: looks like w is winning by a lot
]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[lq]
;W[lp]C[nodan [-\]: w is thin overall
]
;B[kp]
;W[mo]
;B[kq]
;W[ip]C[nd4ever [5k\]: white aim at j11 may be
Ukasuhs [2k\]: USGO2 how much time do each of them have left?
]
;B[jp]
;W[il]C[USGO2 [-\]: about 10min less than when I posted 10 mins ago
]
;B[hl]
;W[hm]
;B[gl]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs a little
nd4ever [5k\]: :)
USGO2 [-\]: He leans back in his chair with his hands locked behind his head
uuffy: we need a live feed
GiantCat [-\]: USGO2, you should give descriptions of clothing, of sounds in the room, like a fiction novel ;-)
USGO2 [-\]: this is a live feed
uuffy: live video feed
GiantCat [-\]: "the stones were like pebbles on the shores of both men's lives"
uuffy: did u just make that up lol
Kyros [8k\]: lol
USGO2 [-\]: The week's long tourney is starting to take it toll. The room is quieter than the first few days
USGO2 [-\]: Only the sounds of occasional rustling of stones in the bowls; clacks of stones beeing played; and gentle beeps of Ing clocks can be heard
nd4ever [5k\]: how many audience there?
USGO2 [-\]: Since most of the games in the main playing room have finished before lunch, several of them wander in here to check out the remaining games
USGO2 [-\]: Only the top 25 boards are in the strong players room
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu now has a handful of stones that he rustling in his hands
calm [6k\]: Does he know it is his turn?
USGO2 [-\]: His eyes dart around the lower area of the board as he works out the variations in his head
nd4ever [5k\]: he's thinking j5 ? haha
Iceborg [6k\]: k6 ?
USGO2 [-\]: Yue Zhang appears to be taking this opportunity to make a quick count
calm [6k\]: Now that is going to far. How do you know he's working out the variations in his head?
nd4ever [5k\]: a pro should do so
GiantCat [-\]: well obviously he is calm, what do you think he's thinking about what he's going to have for dinner?
GiantCat [-\]: USGO2, this is great
USGO2 [-\]: Every few seconds Mingjiu will toss his stones back into his bowl, but then grab another handful
calm [6k\]: GaintCat for all you know he is thinking about how he will celebrate his victory.
jankenpopp: what are the other habits of the other players youve seen usgo2?
calm [6k\]: H6?
USGO2 [-\]: Yue sits back in his chair, his arms crossed in front of him
]
;W[gm]C[USGO2 [-\]: played with a soft sigh
nd4ever [5k\]: both sigh..lol
jankenpopp: j5 now?
nd4ever [5k\]: can't
nd4ever [5k\]: g10 is big
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu shakes his head slightly as he continues to study the board
]
;B[fl]C[calm [6k\]: USGO2, up or down or left and right?
jankenpopp: up and down would be nodding :P
jankenpopp: shake usually involves right and left..
jankenpopp: or else if it's only one, then it would be a turn of the head
USGO2 [-\]: At table one behind us, MyungWan Kim flicks open and closes his fan in his lap several times
]
;W[iq]
;B[jn]
;W[km]C[USGO2 [-\]: the stone is slapped to the board
USGO2 [-\]: The Ing clock says (in Chinese) that black has only 10 mins left
Tom2 [8k\]: go is really martial arts of the mind ^^ When i started with go i thought its just a game like chess. But it is really a lot more :) its so intense. thanks for showing us this event, USGO2
]
;B[ln]C[USGO2 [-\]: white still has 60 mins left
USGO2 [-\]: There are almost a dozen kids gathered around two table over and back watching the game between Jimmy Guo and Rick Zhao
USGO2 [-\]: The TD is now wandering around the room with recording sheets for sealing moves to break for lunch
Trainy [-\]: how is jimmy doing his game?
USGO2 [-\]: So far, none of the players are taking him up on the offer
USGO2 [-\]: Trainy, sorry, their board is too far away for me to see
Trainy [-\]: np :)
USGO2 [-\]: Jimmy is 2-2 in the Ing and is scheduled to play Mingjiu tonight, who is also 2-2
USGO2 [-\]: Mr Jiang starts and stops several times to play a stone near m7 area
]
;W[lm]C[sljfie [15k\]: thats rude to do he shouldn't be doing that
Trainy [-\]: thanks for that info, im sertainly going to watch that
sljfie [15k\]: how disrespectful to Yue
royalty [3d\]: how is it disrespectful
sljfie [15k\]: its rude to hover ur stone over the board like that
royalty [3d\]: not many care about that
Chievo [3k\]: stop being so rude you silly 15k
sljfie [15k\]: hey thats just the way i was taught
]
;B[mn]C[Chievo [3k\]: taught what? how to act silly?
royalty [3d\]: i would like it if my opponent was hesitating a lo
royalty [3d\]: a lot
royalty [3d\]: wont happen
]
;W[kn]
;B[lo]C[Chievo [3k\]: aimed to ko?
sljfie [15k\]: of course, but im just sayin that u shouldn't do that
USGO2 [-\]: as other games are finishing around the room, there is often a loud clattering of stones being scooped up and poured into the bowls
royalty [3d\]: well, board one is even less finished
Chievo [3k\]: sljfie youre just making a fuss about nothing here
calm [6k\]: ko?
Chievo [3k\]: no need, but if w confident he could try
]
;W[jo]
;B[ei]
;W[ci]C[USGO2 [-\]: The Ing clock speaks again, but I can't remember if that means 5 mins or 1 min left
]
;B[no]C[sljfie [15k\]: is the counting here more like japanese or chinese?
royalty [3d\]: area scoring, so more like chinese
Wolf84 [1k\]: like chinese 
USGO2 [-\]: AGA rules
sljfie [15k\]: thx, but idk aga
sljfie [15k\]: rules
Wolf84 [1k\]: aga is like chinese too
USGO2 [-\]: usgo.org
Tom2 [8k\]: is there a difference in aga and chinese?
USGO2 [-\]: pass stones
Tom2 [8k\]: thx
]
;W[er]C[USGO2 [-\]: probably other differences too
]
;B[dr]
;W[rb]
;B[lg]
;W[kg]
;B[mg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu taps out a quick variation on the table with his finger before playing L13
]
;W[nh]
;B[nr]C[USGO2 [-\]: a loud clack on the board
Chievo [3k\]: haha
Chievo [3k\]: intimidation by sound
calm [6k\]: Did mingjiu actually touch the board?
zflyhorse [2k\]: o3
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei Ge, Jie Liang and Juyong Koh, who have all just finished their games, stop by to see how this game is going
sljfie [15k\]: ur right chievo :)
]
;W[or]C[sljfie [15k\]: i some times do that to
USGO2 [-\]: another loud clack
]
;B[mr]
;W[nq]
;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[be]C[USGO2 [-\]: Ing speaks again - must be 1 min left
USGO2 [-\]: (for black)
]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[sc]
;B[sd]
;W[sb]C[USGO2 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
]
;B[qe]C[USGO2 [-\]: white has 34 mins left
fot [5k?\]: f5
]
;W[fq]
;B[op]
;W[oq]C[USGO2 [-\]: 4 periods left
]
;B[bh]
;W[cg]
;B[ag]C[Wolf84 [1k\]: h18
]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]
;W[cn]
;B[an]
;W[bn]
;B[hb]C[plowlife [3d\]: f7
ErikTheRed [9k\]: you were right wolf. h18 was a lot more than d7
]
;W[ke]C[royalty [3d\]: does black win this game?
USGO2 [-\]: thier still playing
]
;B[le]C[ErikTheRed [9k\]: black plays m 15, w at j15
USGO2 [-\]: *they're
royalty [3d\]: ay, but in speculative sense
]
;W[fo]C[Uberdude [2d\]: could the usgo accounts please have the link to te results page on their info?
]
;B[fn]C[Uberdude [2d\]: i can't navigate there from the congress home page
]
;W[gn]C[USGO2 [-\]: 3 periods now
]
;B[bj]C[Ophelia [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/crosstab.html
]
;W[cj]C[Uberdude [2d\]: thx
Ophelia [-\]: np
]
;B[ko]
;W[io]
;B[ed]
;W[fh]
;B[ej]C[patrickb [-\]: when will the crosstab be updated for new results?
]
;W[bi]
;B[ai]C[Ophelia [-\]: don't know.  probably tomorrow morning.  this one was updated this morning at 9:30 PDT
]
;W[ns]
;B[lr]C[Ophelia [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/  is the link with all sorts of goodies about the Congress.
]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]
;W[es]
;B[br]C[zflyhorse [2k\]: big trouble  for 
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks Ophelia. A little too busy to talk right now
GoArena [-\]: b?
nd4ever [5k\]: e7
]
;W[ja]
;B[lc]
;W[lb]C[zflyhorse [2k\]: w  wins?
GoArena [-\]: looks like it
]
;B[jr]
;W[ir]
;B[fp]C[Fokatukc [7k\]: w wins
Chievo [3k\]: as expected of this great teacher
MrShintou [4d\]: lol @ ko for 1pt.
Chievo [3k\]: he is strong teacher at kgs
]
;W[fm]C[acellist1 [5k\]: its always time for ko for 1 point!
zflyhorse [2k\]: why kill b
strong10k [2k\]: why did white k19?
USGO2 [-\]: another period down
]
;B[ik]C[MrShintou [4d\]: .
USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs and shakes his head
]
;W[jl]
;B[gh]C[Chievo [3k\]: sighing even when winning?
USGO2 [-\]: he sighs a lot
GoArena [-\]: he wanted to kill :)
nd4ever [5k\]: because w win by komi?
Ophelia [-\]: he probably didn't want to protect there.
]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]C[MrShintou [4d\]: e15
strong10k [2k\]: sighing because black lived
Wolf84 [1k\]: I doubt he didnt see B would live
strong10k [2k\]: or he made a miscalculation
]
;W[eq]
;B[ep]
;W[gp]
;B[rh]
;W[qg]
;B[is]
;W[hs]
;B[js]
;W[ri]
;B[rg]
;W[pg]C[Nick8a [2k\]: how did lin xeufen do?
]
;B[of]C[Ophelia [-\]: she lost.
zflyhorse [2k\]: fail
zflyhorse [2k\]: sadly
]
;W[sh]C[mousie [4d\]: she lost twice to juyong :)
]
;B[sg]C[Nick8a [2k\]: i c
]
;W[si]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]C[acellist1 [5k\]: e15
]
;B[lh]
;W[kh]
;B[sm]
;W[ro]
;B[mi]
;W[ni]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]
;B[ef]
;W[ch]
;B[ma]
;W[la]C[Treziac [2k\]: white s9?
]
;B[ah]
;W[ee]
;B[eh]
;W[sj]
;B[sk]
;W[pn]C[Rakeliem [1d\]: wow
Treziac [2k\]: didn't s9 worked?
Rakeliem [1d\]: i guess it wasn't sente
]
;B[pm]C[Treziac [2k\]: it is or b lose t7 
Rakeliem [1d\]: i know
]
;W[dd]C[Rakeliem [1d\]: that's why i said wow
]
;B[ec]C[acellist1 [5k\]: seems like a fun endgame with a lot of big moves
Fokatukc [7k\]: f14?
]
;W[mp]
;B[hr]
;W[gs]
;B[ff]
;W[ie]
;B[je]
;W[jf]
;B[hf]
;W[gf]C[Neamtujose [4k\]: H 14 miss?!?
]
;B[gr]
;W[fs]C[USGO2 [-\]: not by me :)
Neamtujose [4k\]: hehehe
zflyhorse [2k\]: i c
Treziac [2k\]: how many periods?
]
;B[fe]C[Neamtujose [4k\]: F15 tommorow?
Neamtujose [4k\]: yesss!!!!!
tomangel [2k\]: D 7
USGO2 [-\]: can't see the clock -- either 1 or 2
Chievo [3k\]: b winning by a kill?
USGO2 [-\]: I think only 1
Rakeliem [1d\]: no kill but good yose
]
;W[ge]C[Neamtujose [4k\]: D7?
]
;B[eo]C[Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: no kill
tomangel [2k\]: ?.?????
USGO2 [-\]: white now down to 10 mins
Rakeliem [1d\]: connect
]
;W[dm]C[Rakeliem [1d\]: or that
]
;B[go]C[tomangel [2k\]: w left group has only one eye
tomangel [2k\]: D 7 makes 2
Neamtujose [4k\]: yes
tomangel [2k\]: why didnt b play there ..??
Neamtujose [4k\]: time pressure
Neamtujose [4k\]: maybe
]
;W[ho]C[veinarde [6k\]: b9 a10 a9 a7  - 2 eyes
Treziac [2k\]: white had 2 eyes gote - b9 
tomangel [2k\]: ok i see
fje204: i would've went j14 instead of f14
USGO2 [-\]: Black resigns
fje204: way back
Neamtujose [4k\]: interesting
tomangel [2k\]: still b saves stone with D 7 in sente
fje204: it wouldve taken more territory away
USGO2 [-\]: thanks everyone for watching !!
USGO2 [-\]: W+r
Treziac [2k\]: thanks for the report!
fje204: and it would've been solid so there would be no defending
zflyhorse [2k\]: thx   usgo2
Ophelia [-\]: thankyou very much for recording USGO
jshift [20k?\]: good game
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